And Hi everybody and welcome back to the Survivor 50 wish list

podcast an off-season series where we're trying to figure out who could and should come back for Survivor 50, but today

we're doing things a little bit different. I know we're talking Survivor 50, but drop the five, keep the zero, and then replace the five with a two I'm not here for math

I am here to talk though about survivor heroes versus villains the 20th season as

here on the precipice of another anniversary season.

We got to talk about one of the first ones, arguably one of the best seasons of all time,

and trying to figure out how the sausage got made here and perhaps prognosticating how it might look

forward to Survivor 50. I'm so excited to welcome this guy in we were bringing in a genuine

Survivor, know it all and as we're talking heroes versus villains he is a personal hero of mine

It is time legend the great Stephen Fishback I do feel like I'm a uniquely good person to talk

about heroes as villains except someone who maybe was on Heroes versus villains. I don't know they

probably have more insight but they're going to be biased in a way that I will also

be biased but maybe I'll be more upfront about my biases.

But I feel like, you know, having really, I feel like I was, you know, I was on token chains,

then Samoa happened that was all sort of a blur. But then like I really feel like I was very

present for Heroes versus villains both in terms of like that kind of being where I

started podcasting about it and also just like knowing a lot of members of the cast and

like I was in all the like pre-game strategy sessions you know I'd show you know I was at the

Kentucky event when you know Rupert and J.T. and James was probably you know they were all like huddled in the corner planning and

that of course like worked out beautifully for them they all ended up winning the

show so I'm honored to be here I assume I was your number one draft pick for token

cheans and that you have minted me as a 100% returning player for

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