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Change Agents with Andy Stumpf

Surviving Scientology: Growing Up and Escaping Its Abuse (with Jenna Miscavige Hill)

Change Agents with Andy Stumpf

IRONCLAD

Society & Culture

4.9648 Ratings

🗓️ 19 February 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

On today's episode, Andy speaks with Jenna Miscavige Hill, the niece of Scientology leader David Miscavige. Jenna discusses her experience growing up in the church, the abuse and control she endured, and her journey to leave Scientology. She shares her perspective on her uncle's leadership, the impact of the church's practices, and the challenges she faced in breaking free from the organization. To learn more about Jenna's story, check out her book: Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology and My Harrowing Escape  Change Agents is an IRONCLAD Original Sponsors: Firecracker Farm Use code IRONCLAD to get 15% off your first order at https://firecracker.farm/ MTNTOUGH Go to ⁠https://mtntough.com⁠ and enter code CHANGEAGENTS to receive 40% OFF - a savings of about $100 off your MTNTOUGH+ annual subscription. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We would be kept up all night and sleep for a few hours under our desk.

0:49.3

There would be people like, basically any little sense of joy that you had, there were people marching around

0:57.9

trying to take it away.

0:58.8

Like literally if you had snacks in your desk, they'd be like, that's not allowed.

1:01.8

If you were listening to music while you were working, they were like, that's not allowed.

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And even though those seem like stupid little things, they were just things that I had grown

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up believing that we were in Scientology

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to help people and that we were sacrificing certain things because we were going to make the

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