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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

🇺🇦 Surviving Putin's Wrath with Bill Browder

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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Society & Culture, News, Politics

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 26 April 2022

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Anyone familiar with Putin's history of kleptocracy, money laundering and threats of murder against his adversaries will know the name of Bill Browder, formerly one of Russia's leading foreign investors, now a sworn enemy of Vladimir Putin.  Browder talks to Arthur Snell about his new book Freezing Order, which details the 'real money' funding the Kremlin's war, and how he became Vladimir Putin’s number one enemy for exposing his campaign of theft and money laundering. We're putting out irregular war bulletins covering different aspects of the Ukraine crisis. You can support our work on the crowdfunding app Patreon: http://doomsdaywatch.co.uk Resources to help the Ukrainian people can be found here: https://ukrainewar.carrd.co/  “The Putin regime does terrible things, and then puts their money in Western countries. We now have the chance to seize that.”  “Putin runs his kleptocracy by getting a cut of every crime.”  “Nobody wanted to rock the boat because the influx of Russian money into London was good for the economy.”  “I did something totally unforgivable, I treated Vladimir Putin with total disrespect.”  “We’ve waited too long to sanction the oligarchs, and it’s not changed Putin’s psychology.”  “Nobody who is a patriot would’ve done what Putin has done.” DOOMSDAY WATCH was written and presented by Arthur Snell, and produced by Robin Leeburn with Jacob Archbold. Theme tune and original music by Paul Hartnoll. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. DOOMSDAY WATCH is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Arthur Snell. A major war is taking place on the European continent with Russia's

0:07.3

invasion of Ukraine, bringing you a series of special episodes to help you understand

0:12.3

the crisis as it unfolds. This is Doomsday Watch.

0:22.7

Welcome back to Doomsday Watch. We hope you're finding these war-bulletin's valuable.

0:27.6

A quick reminder that you can support our work on the crowdfunding app Patreon from

0:32.0

as little as £3 per month. Just search Patreon Doomsday Watch or follow the link in the

0:37.9

show notes.

0:40.6

Anybody who's been following the story of Russia under Vladimir Putin and the story

0:45.8

of pleptocracy, money laundering, murder and Vladimir Putin's wrath against his enemies

0:52.9

will surely know the name of Bill Browder. Bill was one of Russia's leading

0:57.4

foreign investors until he was kicked out of the country and a few years later, tragically

1:02.7

his lawyer Sergei Manitsky was killed in a Russian prison after having tried to expose

1:09.6

a massive fraud that was taking place in Russia. Since that time, Bill has led global campaigns

1:16.1

to hold Russians to account both on human rights and on money laundering and pleptocracy.

1:22.5

He's just published a fascinating thrilling book called Freezing Order. I'm delighted

1:27.1

to have Bill with us here today.

1:28.6

Great to be here.

1:29.5

Bill, as I sort of laid out in that introduction, your name is very familiar to anyone who's

1:34.3

taken an interest in the Russia story. But I want to focus in on one thing because it seems

1:39.9

to me that this is arguably the key bit of work that you've undertaken in the past 10, 15 years

1:47.9

and it relates exactly to this question of pleptocracy, of money laundering,

1:54.0

of theft by officials. And that's the so-called Magnitsky Act. So perhaps you could explain

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