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The Lincoln Project

Surviving Epstein with Jess Michaels

The Lincoln Project

The Lincoln Project

Society & Culture, News Commentary, Government, Daily News, News, Politics

4.7 • 8.4K Ratings

🗓️ 2 September 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

**Content Warning: The following episode features the story of a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein, references sexual assault, and may be triggering. Please take care.**

This week, Rick sits down with Jess Michaels, who is a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse, to expose not just the predator himself, but the powerful system that enabled him. As Jess tells her story of surviving the billionaire’s web of wealth, rot, and silence, the shadows of Epstein’s empire loom larger than ever. Ghislaine Maxwell has just been transferred to Fort Bryan under suspiciously tight secrecy. At the same time, Trump’s administration continues stonewalling the release of the Epstein files—burying evidence that could finally reveal who protected, funded, and joined Epstein in his crimes. In a country where the rich and powerful still shield predators, this conversation is a raw reminder of what it takes to survive, to fight, and to demand truth when the system was manipulated to cover it up.


Reps. Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie will co-host a press conference at the U.S. Capitol tomorrow, September 3rd, at 10:30 a.m. ET, joined by survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell—several of whom will speak publicly for the first time—as they push for the release of Epstein-related files. This bipartisan event advances their “Epstein Files Transparency Act” and a discharge petition aimed at forcing a House vote on fully unsealing the sealed documents. 
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You can support Jess Michael's SA advocacy work at https://www.jessmichaelsspeaks.com/ and on Instagram at @jessmichaelsspeaks. 

Follow Rick Wilson at @TheRickWilson on X and @therickwilson.bsky.social on Bluesky, and subscribe to his Substack at therickwilson.substack.com. 

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi guys, here's my morning routine.

0:02.5

First, I drink olive oil, like a lot of it.

0:05.8

That's good.

0:06.8

Next, I take an ice bath.

0:08.6

Ooh, feeling super healthy.

0:11.0

Can't fit with toes.

0:12.0

Breakfast is raw liver.

0:13.9

Okay, here we go.

0:15.6

Real good.

0:17.4

If your health advice sounds strange coming from a kid, maybe it's just strange.

0:22.3

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0:29.5

What I know now, looking back, is that in 1991, Jeffrey Epstein had a very set strategy.

0:39.0

He was a psychopath then, and he was a skilled, masterful manipulator.

0:47.4

Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well-trained, well-equipped in battle-hearted.

0:54.0

There is not a liberal America and a conservative America.

0:57.7

There is the United States of America.

1:02.3

Good night and good luck.

1:04.6

Hey folks, welcome back to the Lincoln Project podcast.

1:07.6

I appreciate you joining us today because we have a very special guest today.

1:11.7

Jess Michaels is one of the many victims of Jeffrey Epstein. And because Jeffrey Epstein has

1:18.4

become such a central figure in our politics in this country, in this moment we're in,

1:23.0

and because it has been a story that has illustrated a kind of corrupt approach to justice for the victims of people like Jeffrey Epstein, given what the White House is doing, given what the Justice Department has been doing, I'm really pleased to welcome Jess Michaels here today with us to have her tell her story.

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