Welcome back to the podcast, bribes,windle, or steel.

I'm Alexandra Rocky, and on today's podcast, we're going to listen in on a conversation between Jonathan Dremmer of Paul Hastings and Hinty Dirker of S&C Lavelin, as they discuss surviving a bribery investigation and fostering a

culture of compliance. We'll start in and have a little bit of a conversation about his biography,

how he got to this point. And in particular, some of the lessons he has learned, he was both at

Siemens and currently at S&C as well here, and some of the key

lessons that he's learned along the way. I want to jump in, Henty, and talk a bit about your

background. You started at Siemens in 1993 as an engineer. You're not a lawyer, you're not

an accountant by training. So what led you into

the compliance space from an engineering role? Maybe I can say I was in the wrong place in the

wrong time or I was in the right place in the right time. I started as an engineer. I studied

engineering, electrical electronic engineering. I worked on power stations crawling in cable trays

and making generators work

and power stations work. At some point I moved over into sales of marketing because I saw the

sales of marketing guys were actually having fun and they could take out customers and they could

entertain and that looked like a nice job for me and I moved into that. I became responsible for sales channels in the

Siemens Automation and Drives Division at that point, selling products and got involved

a lot of contracts and not being a lawyer but working with contracts and our distributor network

and our value added resellers. The Siemens scandal broke, which was back in 2007, 2008, and they were looking for

somebody to be a project manager to implement the compliance program within Siemens for the

Southern African region. I come from South Africa. I enjoyed it so much that even after the

implementation, which we got done in a very, very short period of time, we only got

four months to implement 104 controls within the Seaman South African entity.

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