The Ruger Light Rack Security 380 is easy to shoot and easy to rack. Small enough to carry concealed or in a purse, big enough to absorb recoil. Learn more at Ruger.com. And we're back with you, Tom Gresham, Gun Talk, here. If you want to send us a Ranger Fort, just give me a call. We can talk about that. The number here, well, you

know what, let's do it the easy way. Tom, talk, gun. That's the easy way for you to remember the

number. Just give me a holler. Tom, talk, gun. And we're open lines. If there's something on your mind, you've got a question, or you think I screwed up, which is actually often the case. Give me a holler. We'll talk about that as well. Now, we have been talking over the last few weeks, even months, about we're winning, we're winning, we're winning. We have all these great cases and we're getting these really good decisions out of the courts. And it's like, wow, this is really good. And now we've got the DOJ, you got Pambon, you got good things going on. And then, wow, you get blindsided. Something comes around the corner and hits you. Well,

that's just what happened from my really unexpected place. We're joined right now by Costas Moros.

Now, you just recently joined the Second Amendment Foundation as the Director of Legal Research and Education.

Their congratulations. Thanks so much, Tom, and thanks for having me on again

on the show. Absolutely. Okay. I mean, for those who don't know, you're not new to the Second

Amendment fight. You have been doing litigation on Second Amendment cases for a number of years.

Yeah, so I worked for Michelle and Associates from 2019 until a few months ago.

Great experience there.

You know, we still work with them because SAF is, of course, a client of Michelle and Associates.

They partner with CRPA in the number of cases.

But, yeah, I was there for six years and recently moved over in-house to the Second Amendment Foundation.

Okay, so we're on this streak. We're going well. It's all looking good. And we're thinking, you know, I mean, we've got some circuits, some appeals courts where you know it's going to be tough. But we can usually count on the Fifth Circuit to get things right on guns. We've had some good decisions out of them. And then this past week, it was like, what the devil just happened?

You want to explain the case and what happened here?

Yeah, sure.

So it was definitely a sort of et tu-brote moment.

You know, we did.

But that said, it was not that surprising because a few months ago, the Fifth Circuit issued a ruling in this case and said

suppressors are not even arms under the Second Amendment and get no protection, essentially.

But then something strange happened, which is that the Trump administration's DOJ partially

reversed its position. What they said was, no, no, no, we think suppressors are arms. However, we think that

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