Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically, conversations on faith and culture.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics here at

Talbot School of Theology at viola University. And I'm your co-host Sean McDow,

professor of apologetics at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University. Today, Sean and I are going to be talking about a landmark decision that was handed

down on June 5th, 2018 by the United States Supreme Court on a case that we've been waiting for for some time.

The case of Massopee's Cake Shop versus the Civil Rights Commission of Colorado, otherwise known as the Colorado Cake Bakers case Jack Phillips

who was offered the opportunity to

specially bake a wedding cake for a same sex wedding ceremony and

refused to do so citing his religious beliefs was sued by the same sex

couple who was seeking his services and ruled the Colorado Civil Rights

Commission and several lower courts ruled against him. The case was taken up

by the United States Supreme Court. The Supreme Court ruled in his favor which groups, religious groups claimed as a great

victory for religious freedom.

We'll talk a little bit more about the details of that.

We do think that that's pretty good news,

but maybe not quite as good as it could have been.

So Sean, why don't you start us out with this. Tell us a little

bit just about the facts of the case. What made this case such a big deal?

Well it's a big deal because people have sensed the Obergefell ruling in 2015 which made same-sex

marriage legal nationwide that religious freedom was really in jeopardy

that some would say it's been hanging by a string. And even in that

ruling itself, some of the conservative judges, I believe it was Thomas and

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