in three, two, one. I even screwed that up.

Welcome back. It's episode 138, the Hoover Institution's Law Talk podcast coming to, as we always do do from the faculty lounge of the Epstein

and New School of Law, where I'm proud to say that our football team currently has the same

record as Ohio State's. I'm your host, Troy Seneca, former White House speechwriter and

purveyor of a chain of pop-up acupuncture clinics, and I am joined, as always, by the

Frazier and Niles of the conservative legal movement.

They are Richard Epstein, the Peter and Kirsten Bedford Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution,

the Lawrence A. Tish Professor of Law at NYU, and Senior Lecturer at the University of Chicago.

And John Yoo, visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution, the Emmanuel S. Heller, Professor of Law,

the University of California, Berkeley, and former deputy assistant attorney general in the Bush administration.

And fellas, we sort of rushed into recording this episode, as one might imagine, on the news that

Justice Ginsburg died at the end of the last week. By the way, I was the last person to know this.

After weeks of refusing sort of a long waterfront walk with my wife, I succumbed Friday night, and then like 45 minutes into this, because as I say, it's a long walk. I looked down 25 text messages. I'm assuming that

something momentous has happened. And it brought to mind that in February of 2016, I had

resisted for months going out to dinner with some of my wife's friends, finally gave in,

and same thing, looked down at the phone, 25 text messages, because that was the night that Justice Scalia died.

So the obvious lesson there that I hope everyone listening to the show walks away with is don't do things for your spouse.

Yeah, no, I was going to say the obvious lesson, Troy, which all men know is don't go to dinner with your wife's friends.

Why would you ever want to subject yourself to that kind of humiliation and cross-examination?

And keep in mind, Scalia died in February. So this was Connecticut in February. And one of the

reasons I remember this is because she insisted on going out to dinner on a night when it was zero

degrees outside. Now, do you guys really believe there's a causal story here?

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