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The NPR Politics Podcast

Supreme Court Curbs Environmental Protection Agency's Power To Protect Environment

The NPR Politics Podcast

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4.425.7K Ratings

🗓️ 30 June 2022

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

The Supreme Court limited the ways in which the EPA could regulate greenhouse gas pollution from power plants, jeopardizing President Biden's goal for an emissions-free power sector by 2035.

And the high court sided with the Biden administration in a case concerning the White House's decision to end the so-called "Remain in Mexico" policy. The Trump-era policy had required asylum seekers to either be detained in the U.S. or sent to Mexico where while they wait for months or years to have their asylum claims reviewed. Now, Biden will be allowed to end the policy.

This episode: White House correspondent Scott Detrow, national political correspondent Mara Liasson, climate reporter Laura Benshoff, and immigration reporter Joel Rose.

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0:00.0

Hi, this is Julia and I am at the Temple of Apollo in Delphi where ancient Greek politicians used to come to consult the Oracle.

0:09.0

This podcast was recorded up.

0:11.0

And podcasts were just people yelling in the square.

0:14.0

It is 2 o'clock Eastern on Thursday, June 30th.

0:19.0

Things may have changed by the time you hear it, but here's the show!

0:23.0

Hey there, it's the NPR Politics Podcast. I'm Scott Detro. I cover the White House.

0:30.0

I'm Mara Laiasson, National Political Correspondent.

0:33.0

And the Supreme Court issued its final two opinions of the term today.

0:38.0

Two big ones that we are going to talk about. One has to do with immigration, the other climate.

0:42.0

And we will start with climate. Laura Benchoff is from NPR's climate team and has been covering this.

0:47.0

Hey Laura.

0:48.0

Hey there.

0:49.0

Laura, in short, the court put major limits on how the EPA can regulate greenhouse gas is coming from power plants.

0:55.0

What do we need to know about this rolling?

0:57.0

You know, the conservative majority here was looking at the Obama administration's clean power plan,

1:03.0

which had tried to do something pretty sweeping and had tried to put state level caps on how much carbon dioxide emissions, how much greenhouse gas emissions could come from power plants.

1:14.0

And the Supreme Court said that was too broad. That essentially touched on this question that they like to bring up when they see an agency doing something they don't like, called the major questions doctrine.

1:25.0

And they said, by putting this cap, you're encouraging the power generation sector to switch from burning coal to burning natural gas or even renewables.

1:36.0

And you don't have that authority, EPA. You don't get to pick winners and losers between different forms of power generation.

1:42.0

So, you know, they have some power going forward to continue to regulate the pollutants that they can regulate.

1:48.0

One of them is carbon dioxide from power plants, but they can't do it in the way that they, oh, the Obama administration had tried to.

1:57.0

Let's briefly touch on a weird factor here that this was a ruling all about a rule that never went into effect and was in fact withdrawn years ago.

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