And hey, Janet, the fabulous Janet, woman.

One of my favorite people in the world, Janet, you are going to talk about Douglas Howard today.

And we're just going to do this.

This is what you're going to be talking about at TudorCon too.

So we're not going to give away all the secrets.

But we're just going to, and Betty Lynn,

I'm going to mute you if you don't mind. And then after we're done with Janet, oh, you've already

muted yourself. Look at that. Fantastic. And if you have questions, we can hop for bringing you back on.

So fabulous, Janet. Tell me about Douglas Howard and how like you've been your books are kind of

working through this timeline. Like is Douglas Howard part of this timeline? Like how did we get

into this Douglas Howard world? Douglas Howard is kind of book two and three. I'm working

on my Elizabeth trilogy and just kind of bringing everyone through because

Elizabeth was incredibly loyal.

And if you kind of squint, you can like see the same people at the start of her reign and at the end of her reign.

It's just like the children and the grandchildren of the same people.

So it's all the same names and it's all interrelated and interpollinating and all of that.

So Douglas' dad is in, you know, is all over book one, her brother, and she are all over

books two and three, although not as much as you would think. It's just she's a fascinating

person, but Elizabeth doesn't really want to think about her all that much. Yeah, so tell me about

her and what makes her so fascinating.

She had Robert Dodley's love child.

That is the one that, you know, that really is what gets a lot of people.

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