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🗓️ 7 July 2025
⏱️ 97 minutes
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It's a bird! It's a plane! It's a dummy fired out of a cannon! This week, join Chris and Lizzie as they fly 'round the world to turn back time to witness Richard Donner's herculean efforts to bring the Man of Steel to the silver screen. From shady producers and flimsy financing to Marlon Brando's bagel-based bravado and a budget that flew higher than Christopher Reeve, this DC debut defied the odds in making it to theaters at all.
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0:00.0 | Hello, and welcome back to what |
0:09.0 | Hello, and welcome back to what went wrong, your favorite podcast, Full Stop, that just so happens to be about movies and how it is nearly impossible to make them, let alone a good one, let alone, I think maybe kind of the cornerstone of the modern superhero movie. |
0:36.5 | I am one of your hosts, Lizzie Bassett, as always, |
0:38.9 | here with your other host, Chris Winterbauer. Chris, how you doing and what are we talking about? |
0:43.7 | I'm doing fantastic. Thank you for asking. We are discussing 1978's Superman or Superman the movie, |
0:50.3 | as it was also marketed. Lizzie, had you ever seen the movie before, |
0:56.0 | and what were your thoughts upon watching or re-watching it for the podcast? |
1:00.0 | I had seen this probably more than once, but I was very little. |
1:05.0 | So my memory of this was really so very different from what this movie really was. I sort of remembered like little |
1:12.6 | snapshots in my head, but color me surprised to watch it as an adult. I think certain elements |
1:19.4 | of it hold up really well. I think the effects look great for the most part. Well, one of the |
1:26.0 | things that struck me as really funny was I remember |
1:28.0 | being little and thinking that like the fortress of solitude looked so amazing and was like so |
1:34.6 | huge and overbearing. And then watching it this time, I'm like, okay, that's very much a model. |
1:40.0 | Like, it looks great. But, you know, there's some moments in this that are sort of like |
1:44.4 | tim burton-esque with the models but yeah i i will say the first like 30 to 40 minutes |
1:53.3 | real slow everything on krypton as we'll discuss everything on krypton and honestly everything |
2:00.7 | on the farm. |
2:01.4 | The Norman Rockwell interlude. |
2:03.3 | Get him out of there. |
2:04.3 | I don't need to see it. |
2:05.9 | I don't care. |
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