I'm Oprah Winfrey. Welcome to Super Soul Conversations, the podcast. I believe that one of the most

valuable gifts you can give yourself is time. Taking time to be more fully present. Your journey

to become more inspired and connected to the deeper world around us starts right now.

Everybody should know this by now, that when I read a good book or experience anything that I feel I can share,

I want to share it with the world. And I recently read this book called Tribe by Sebastian Younger. You might know him

as author of The Perfect Storm and War and several documentaries. But it's just a tiny little

book tribe. It's called Tribe on Homecoming and Belonging. And I was so struck by it that I immediately wanted to tell everybody I knew about it.

And if possible, talk to Sebastian Younger.

And now you're here, Sebastian Younger, for me to talk to.

You say in the book that for hundreds of thousands of years, human beings have lived in close-knit

social groups or tribes, that people lived in work side by side, their survival was intertwined,

that they provided mutual support we all did, we shared resources, protected each other,

and now our modern society is just the opposite.

That we live in isolation, that we have fewer chances to really help our fellow human beings.

And we have no guarantee that we're going to receive help and care in return. And as a result of that, so many of us are depressed and divided.

And in America, the divisions are only getting worse.

Is that why you wanted to write the book?

Broadly, yes.

I mean, more immediately, I had spent a lot of time at a small outpost with

American soldiers in eastern Afghanistan, an outpost called Restrepo. I made a documentary about it and wrote a book

called War. And what I noticed was despite all the combat, I mean, there were firefights almost

every day, complete isolation from the outside world. Real hardship

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