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The Indicator from Planet Money

Super Mario meets his match in Italy

The Indicator from Planet Money

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4.79.2K Ratings

🗓️ 27 July 2022

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

When Mario Draghi saved the euro with a 2012 speech, the world was in awe. Then he was called in to lead Italy's six motley political parties through the pandemic, and turn around Italy's economy.

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0:00.0

NPR.

0:12.2

Last week Italy's government imploded.

0:17.2

Central Banker turned Prime Minister Mario Draghi resigned after a year and a half.

0:25.8

And what has been going on in Italy makes a lot more sense.

0:29.4

If you know about a term called vinculo esterno, external constraint.

0:35.3

Ah, no, that's a classic one.

0:37.5

Alessandro Speciale co-wrote a biography of Mario Draghi.

0:41.0

This idea that Italy isn't able to choose on its own the right policies.

0:46.1

Instead, Alessandro says Italy chose external, personal trainers, let's say, to help it

0:51.6

restrain spending and reform its bureaucracy.

0:54.6

The two big external trainers helping Italy get in shape, the European Union and the market.

1:00.9

And at stake right now, a tantalizing 200 billion euro pandemic support package dangling

1:07.4

in front of Italy, if it can pass a bunch of reforms.

1:11.2

This is the Antiguaia front planet money I'm Darian Woods.

1:14.9

And I'm Adrienne Ma.

1:16.2

Today's show how vinculo esterno shaped Italy's modern economic history.

1:22.2

It's a tragedy with one leading man who deeply believes in this way of solving Italy's problems.

1:28.4

The economist turned to politician Mario Draghi.

1:33.4

In the early 1990s, Italy was in crisis.

1:36.6

It was stagnating economically and it had run up a large amount of government debt.

1:41.7

And one reason cited was that a considerable chunk of the Italian economy was run through

1:46.2

these big state-run conglomerate companies.

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