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Now, enjoy the show. So, uh, the live stream is broken. We can't fix it. It is what it is. And, uh, we were to talk about a bunch of stuff, but I did want to just briefly talk to you about a little bit of the legal experiences you had. So maybe people could get some insights into what's going on with what Trump may be experiencing.

Then we'll try and jump to callers as quickly as we can because a lot of people, they have questions

for you. But we were talking before the show about how when you were, you were not even a target

of Mueller, but you were being investigated. I don't know what you can say. So I don't want to,

I can, I'll say anything. I don't care. I mean, there's nothing. It's over. Well, so,

I mean, it costs, it costs insane amounts of money. Yeah. I mean, you're just a witness. Yeah, you're not even a witness. I don't know what, there's a legal term, basically like a person of interest. There's there's all these technical terms that I'm not that familiar with, but bottom

line is that you're either a target or you're not, but they can compel you, right? So they go to you and say,

in the same way that they would any other witness. You're subpoenaed or your team will agree

that you'll voluntarily do this or they'll, whatever. But no good lawyer these days, I mean,

is less than a grand.

And then there's always another lawyer, probably another one, and then a paralegal.

And just having a conversation.

And part of the problem is that the lawyers will tell you it's, if they're not guiding you, you don't know what you, what, what minefield you'll step in.

So you'll say something, oh, gosh, you didn't realize that that's, that's technically a

violation of the law, what you just said. So now we've got you. So it's, there's a lot of people

go, well, if you have nothing to hide, why do you do this? Well, part of the reason is because

you may inadvertently say something. Let's say hypothetically, and again, this is not the case with me. But let's say that in the course of a discussion with Mueller, you said, you know, oh, I would text my colleagues. Well, at that time, texting would have been violation of the Presidential Records Act. So they go, oh, you were doing what? I said, oh, I texted him this document and blah, blah, well, oh, we just got you on a violation of the Presidential Records Act.

Did you know that that's five years or a $20,000 fine?

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