The Green Bay Packers in 2026, they're only going to go as far as Matt LaFleur can take them.

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Thanks to everyone who makes Locked-on Packers, their first listen every day. We hope you like starting your day with us, as much as we like starting our day with you here on the Lockdown Podcast Network, the number one sports podcast network. It is a Sunday OT. We're going to be talking coaches, Matt LaFleur today, which means we have to bring in my partner in crime on the Sunday. O.T. Our locked on Packers squad show host, Brandon Snide. Brandon, brurs are playing a little bit better. So hopefully you're in a little bit of a better mood. We're getting there. We're getting some guys back. So, you know, trying to get it figured out. let's figure this out with Matt LaFleur because you and I were on this show before the draft

talking about the things that they needed to do, this Green Bay Packers team, to get to

where they wanted to get to.

And we decided that the biggest driver, the biggest change that needed to happen was Matt LaFloor,

but we also believed Matt LaFleur, but we also believed

Matt LaFleur was capable of that.

In lieu of toxic power ranking discourse in the offseason, which we are not going to talk about.

I want to frame the conversation this way because I think Matt LaFleur is one of the best coaches

in the conference.

I think he's one of the best coaches in the NFL, but I understand the frustrations Packer fans have with him. This is one of the reasons why I want to do this to figure out, okay, how many coaches really would you take over him? So I gave you a little homework assignment, and that was rank these NFC North coaches for me. Do you have Matt LaFleur number one? I do not, but it's close. I do not, but it's close. I'll go through, how about we go four through one? You okay with that? Let's start at number four. Number four, it's the most unproven head coach in the NFC North. And I know he's, you know, ripping off his shirt and getting free hot dogs for everybody out there in Chicago. And I don't want to take anything away from him. I think he's a great coach. He's obviously a really good offensive mind. He what a turnaround that he led the Chicago Bears through. And that's Ben Johnson. But it's the reality is, Peter, it's a very small sample size. And they had, what was it, seven wins in the final two minutes. and when they were trailing games, including two of those games, Peter, it's a very small sample size and they had, what was it, seven wins in the final two minutes and when they were trailing games, including two of those games, unfortunately, against Matt LaFlor and the Green Bay Packers, but it's just a small sample size for Ben Johnson. We don't know exactly what it's going to be. I don't know if they're going to have the same luck. And yes, it is luck a handful of those wins of those wins that they beat, including the Packers,

being up 213 and losing that game.

But it's a small sample size.

So Ben Johnson is at number four to me.

Hey, wait.

Don't go further.

Yep.

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