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The Michael Berry Show.

We're talking with former Governor Reagan, and during the break we were discussing.

What I mentioned, that I thought most people were not apathetic.

I think they're confused, basically, because you hear intelligent people from both political

parties or in the middle, conservatives and liberals, and they all seem to have different answers as to what is going wrong in the country. Some people say, well, let's let the government spend billions of dollars, and then other people say, no, no more federal spending. Let's give the tax rebates. And the other intelligent people say, no tax rebates. We've got to do this and do that. So everybody is confused.

How do you see the thing?

How are we going to get out of this?

Well, Johnny, I think one of the things is that people keep looking at government for the answer, and government's the problem.

You, a moment ago you asked, you know, about people and feeling not only confused, but low and down in America.

First of all, the American people, if they would just take a little inventory and look around, you triple our troubles, and we're better off than any other people on earth.

And we've asked so much of government,

and we've gotten in the habit over the last 40 years

of thinking that government has the answers.

There's very little that government can do

as efficiently and as economically as the people can do themselves.

And if government would shut the doors

and sneak away for about three weeks,

we'd never miss them.

Now, the...

If the people want to be sure. Anybody you had in

mine particularly? No, I said this while I was in government. Okay. Our biggest problem is that we

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