This is an IHeart podcast. The Michael Berry Show. Is there any part of the Bible you think is true? Well, true. No, it's an important question, meaning like, when they were documenting King David, like was King David a real figure? There are shards of it that are, I'm sure. So Jesus was a real person. Well, that we don't know.

That is not a definitive.

It really is not.

Like, take Paul.

We both agree Paul was legit and a real person.

Paul was a Jew, persecuted Jews, and then had his, you know, road to Damascus moment.

Why would he do that?

Except for the fact that he's crazy or, like, delusional. What incentive would Paul have to do that except for the fact that he's crazy or like delusional? What incentive would Paul have to do that?

Rich, ruling class, gave up everything. You know, you're saying to me, are there, is there never a case of human delusion or mass delusion or people can be why do suicide cults of course there

no i acknowledge that the capacity the human capacity to believe what's not true to believe what you

want to believe is infinite i mean you are literally the person i'm talking about at the very

beginning of the movie Religiousist,

because the very first scene, I'm sitting in the car

and I'm saying, the movie is not a spiritual quest.

I mean, that's what we told them,

so they'd sign the release.

The movie is me saying, I don't know how it could be

that so many intelligent people can wall off a part of their mind and believe in something that part of their mind must know is not true. That's the question I'm going for in religious. And like you're obviously a super smart guy.

Well, and respectfully, you go ahead, sure. And again, I don't want to insult you on that. I appreciate you saying that. No, I mean, have you seen me go to college campuses? There's nothing that could faith. Right. But you understand my question, right? Interestingly, ironically, I have the same struggle. I don't know how somebody as intelligent as you, and I'm not trying to offend you. You cannot believe in a virgin birth? Time out, hold on. All of that takes faith, I acknowledge, but that all of the fine tuning of our universe, if

any of those fine tunings were off, a famous, a famous scientist, a famous scientist said,

to believe that the universe and the earth and its current composition was an act of randomness

would believe that a hurricane would go through a junkyard and assemble a 737 flight-ready Boeing.

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