Sunakonomics
TALKING POLITICS
Catherine Carr
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🗓️ 11 March 2021
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
This week we discuss the government's post-Budget economic strategy and the new dividing lines in British politics. Have the Tories stolen Labour's clothes? Is there a new consensus emerging on tax and pend? What can Keir Starmer do to carve out a distinctive economic position? Plus we consider whether a new Labour leader in Scotland can kickstart a revival of the party's fortunes there. With Helen Thompson and Chris Brooke.
Talking Points:
Rishi Sunak’s plan in the short-term is to concentrate on economic recovery and to end pandemic support in a reasonably—but not entirely—gradualist fashion.
- In the medium-term, he’s saying there has to be an emphasis on paying for the pandemic and bringing the level of debt as proportion of GDP back down.
- Sunak wants the Conservatives to go into the next election as the party that claims to be serious about the economy, ie, cautious about debt.
- Both of the parties seem to be hoping that the past will come back—but it probably won’t.
Starmer put a heavy bet on the competence case against Johnson.
- That worked well for much of 2020. The bet was that Brexit would make things chaotic.
- But the pandemic has gone on longer than people expected, and the vaccine rollout is going well. The furlough scheme has also been continued.
In two-party politics, the two parties often tend to converge. Is this happening in the UK?
- Both parties have an interest in constructing the convergence as an illusion; but is it?
- Brexit has produced some convergence because Labour isn’t trying to rejoin Europe.
- Financial and monetary market conditions make it possible to sustain huge levels of debt.
- Most of the Western world have responded to China’s industrial strategy by calling for an industrial strategy.
- The Tories are now putting a big emphasis on green energy; this also brings them closer to Labour.
The politics for each party are different.
- Labour needs to persuade people it has a plausible growth strategy because that is what they need to flourish.
- The big risk for the conservatives is unemployment.
- Labour needs to expand its electoral coalition; this won’t be easy, but the return of mass unemployment might provide one way of doing this.
Further Learning:
- More on Rishi Sunak’s budget
- Johnson’s green energy plans
- Why public debt is not like credit card debt
- On Starmer’s response to the budget
- Who is Anas Sarwar?
And as ever, recommended reading curated by our friends at the LRB can be found here: lrb.co.uk/talking
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| 0:00.0 | Hello my name is David Runseman and this is Talking Politics. Today we're looking at the |
| 0:11.4 | economic dividing lines between the two main parties in British politics. What should |
| 0:16.1 | Labour do if the Tories are starting to do what Labour might do? |
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| 0:41.8 | slash talk. That's lrb.me slash talk. |
| 0:52.9 | To discuss this we have underlighted to say Helen Thompson and Chris Brooke. So we're about |
| 0:57.9 | a week out, roughly from the budget. The Tories in some polls are currently 13, 14 points |
| 1:05.4 | ahead of Labour. There's been a lot of discussion about whether Rishi Sunak has carved out a new |
| 1:10.6 | kind of position for the Conservative Party. Helen I'm going to ask you I don't know if |
| 1:14.0 | it's possible to do this in a couple of minutes and not to summarize the budget. But given |
| 1:19.4 | what we learned over the past week, is there a discernible either political or economic |
| 1:23.7 | strategy do you think in what Rishi Sunak has said and done, particularly given traditional |
| 1:30.6 | in British politics, this is an occasion to establish dividing lines between the parties |
| 1:34.4 | or alternatively to steal the opposition's clothes. Can you identify where the strategy |
| 1:40.1 | is here? |
| 1:41.1 | Well, I think that you can think about this in like two different ways. The first of |
| 1:45.6 | the mizzo, if you look at it in economic policy terms, it looks like fairly straightforwardly |
| 1:53.0 | an attempt to concentrate on the in the short term on economic recovery and to try to deal |
| 2:00.8 | with the problem of ending the support that's been established during the pandemic in a reasonably |
| 2:07.2 | not entirely gradualist fashion so that when things open up in the summer, well, at least |
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