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Hello and welcome to coffee-out shots, the Spectators Daily and sometimes Northern Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Patrick Gibbons and I'm joined by Isabel Hartman and Katie

Bulls. Well we've just watched the second and final head-to-head debate between Kirsama

and Rishi Sunak, Isabelle. It certainly felt like a livelier debate tonight than we've been used to during the campaign

not least of all because you could hear those protesters outside of it for the first 15 minutes

what was your reaction to the debate? Yeah I mean the venue choice was not applauded by

anyone apart from the protesters obviously it was not a it didn't have great

acoustics which meant that not only were the people who were supposed to be speaking

Michelle Hussein and the leaders both echoing quite a lot but also you could pick up

the the roars and the sort of weird banshee screams of the protesters and it did

sound I felt a bit like being trapped in a soft play so I guess it was

appropriate they started off talking about behavior and bad behavior specifically and the first

question was on trust in politics and I don't think for those audience

members who were trapped in this soft play by the end of it they would have felt any more

disposed towards trusting politicians because so much of it was the two men accusing the other of not being straight,

and then of each leader manifestly not answering key questions,

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