It's the Brian Laira Show on WNYC. Good morning, everyone.

For the summer Friday edition, we've put together some recent conversations, edited just a bit for clarity and time,

including Susan Page on the life and impact of journalist Barbara Walters,

neuroscientist Ron Ranganath on memory, psychologist Meg Jay on navigating your 20s,

and the Atlantic's Faith Hill on revisiting your childhood home.

And we start here with Kara Swisher from March with her frank take on the tech industry

and the then-just-announced pick of Nicole Shanahan as RFK Jr.'s running mate.

Stay tuned for that.

With us now, the renowned tech journalist Kara Swisher with her new memoir called

Byrne Book, a tech love story. It's kind of a love, hate story. Really, I might describe it as

about the companies and devices we all use constantly but are alienated from at the same time.

The tech moguls, she has covered for 30 years who have powered these epic changes in our culture,

and Kara's own changing views on the industry she's covered since the birth of the internet.

Kara Swisher hosts the podcast on with Kara Swisher and co-hosts the podcast Pivot with her

and Scott Galloway. She appears regularly on CNN, was a New York Times columnist, as many of you know,

and founder of Recode, among other things. Kara, thanks for making this one of your stops. Welcome

back to WNYC. Well, thank you. I'm thrilled to be here. And most of my family is thrilled that I'm here because they listen to you all.

Oh, that's great. Can I start with a story that some of our listeners may have seen in the New York Magazine excerpt from the book, in which you described being a young journalist at the Washington Post like 30 years ago and being relegated to

covering this new thing called the internet because the editors saw it as fringy, a low-impact beat.

What year was that? And why were you more interested than your editors at the time?

It was 92 or 93. I'm trying to, you know, I covered AOL because they actually had me do it because I was the

young person on the staff. I was young, relatively young compared to everybody else. I think it was in my

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