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Opening Arguments

Suing the CIA Over MKUltra

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Atheist, Opinion, Harvard, News, Politics, Legal, Law, Liberal, Supremecourt

4.3 • 3.7K Ratings

🗓️ 5 August 2024

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

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We’re giving ourselves a break this week from Trump, the Supreme Court, and all things 2024 to indulge in one of Matt’s all-time favorite subjects: CIA mind control experiments! In this extra-carefully-researched episode, Matt breaks down the history of the federal government’s MKULTRA program to fund research in brainwashing, mind control, and LSD on unsuspecting U.S. and (for some reason) Canadian citizens, as well as the inherent legal issues in trying to sue the CIA for something you can’t remember and for which most evidence has been destroyed. Why was the CIA funding a sadistic mad scientist in Montreal, and is there any hope of justice for the families of his victims today?

BOOKS

  1. Poisoner in Chief: Sidney Gottlieb and the CIA Search for Mind Control , Stephen Kinzer (2019)

  2. The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: the CIA and Mind Control, John Marks (1979)(link goes to full text on CIA website)

  3. The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government: David Talbot (2016)

  4. CHAOS: The Truth Behind the Manson Murders, Tom O’Neill (2020)

LEGAL PROCEEDINGS

  1. Orlikow v. United States, 682 F. Supp. 77 (D.D.C. 1988)

  2. CIA v. Sims :: 471 U.S. 159 (1985)

  3. “PROJECT MKULTRA, the CIA’s Program of Research in Behavioral Modification,” (transcript of joint Senate hearing)(8/3/1977)

  4. Judgment dismissing former Deputy U.S. Marshall Wayne Ritchie’s claims against the CIA in Ritchie v. U.S. (N.D. CA 2005)

ARTICLES

  1. ANATOMY OF A PUBLIC INTEREST CASE AGAINST THE CIA, Joseph Rauh and Jim Turner, Hamline Journal of Law and Public Policy (Fall 1990)

  2. MK-ULTRA: Quebec high court says U.S. has immunity in Canada | Montreal Gazette (10/3/23)

  3. CIA Denies Conspiracy Theory That It Used MKUltra on Trump Shooter, Gizmodo.com (7/28/24)

  4. “After Learning of Whitey Bulger LSD Tests, Juror Has Regrets,” PBS (2/18/2020)

  5. “Before He Was the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski was a CIA Mind Control Test Subject,” Washington Post (6/11/2023)

PODCASTS & DOCUMENTARIES

  1. Brainwashed, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (2024)

  2. Madness, WBUR (2020)

  3. The Sleep Room: CIA-funded experiments on patients in Montreal hospital (1998) - The Fifth Estate (CBC)

  4. Wormwood, Errol Morris, Netflix (2017)

Transcript

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0:00.0

Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.

0:07.0

He gags me! What's my crime? I got bold and a little negligent? Nope!

0:23.0

Bales are coming to take away my will to live.

0:28.0

Fuck them, lo!

0:32.0

One count of being a bear, and one count Fuck them though, though.

0:32.5

One count of being a bear, and one count of being an accessory to being a bear.

0:37.5

I hate the Supreme Court. Hello and welcome to opening arguments.

0:46.0

This is episode 1,000.

0:48.0

I'm your host Thomas Smith and that over there is real life attorney Matt Matt Cameron, how are you doing Matt?

0:53.5

I spent the weekend getting tortured by the CIA.

0:56.2

Really? Again?

0:57.2

Yeah.

0:58.2

No, I just don't know a lot of reading.

1:00.9

I've done a lot of reading about this subject over the years but I just went back and

1:04.3

rewrote a bunch of stuff and had a great time doing it.

1:06.7

Yeah, yeah this is kind of a little bit out of left field in some ways but you are so

1:11.6

excited to talk about this and that is always what

1:14.3

makes the best content of any kind even though this is not immediately news or

1:18.4

Trump related it's nice to have a little departure now and then I needed the

1:21.6

break frankly so I think it's good

1:23.7

to, you know, we've heard a lot about the Supreme Court, a lot about Donald Trump.

1:25.9

There is actually a tie-in to recent events in this, but for the most part, this is stuff I've been

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