Suffering, hell and the search for God with Dr Joshua Sijuwade and Dr Shaun Stevenson hosted by John Nelson
Unbelievable?
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🗓️ 10 June 2026
⏱️ 78 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Why might a philosopher lose faith and why might a philosopher find it? |
| 0:07.0 | I'm John Nelson and today on Unbelievable I'm joined by two professional philosophers to talk about their journeys with faith. |
| 0:13.0 | Dr. Sean Stevenson is a lecturer in philosophy at Manchester Metropolitan University and an expert on the thought of Nietzsche, De Luz and Epicurean |
| 0:22.0 | ethics. And Dr. Joshua Situade is a specialist in the philosophy of religion, which he teaches |
| 0:27.4 | at the University of Birmingham. Sean Josh, I know you've been on Unblevable before, but welcome |
| 0:32.9 | back. It's great to have me on the show. Thank you. Thank you for having to be. I'd like to |
| 0:36.9 | talk about your journeys with faith, and maybe Sean, we can start with you. |
| 0:40.8 | Was faith a part of growing up, or was it something that you came to later? |
| 0:46.8 | Yeah, so I grew up in effectively an atheist household. |
| 0:50.9 | So religion was always something that was considered as unimportant. It was only really |
| 0:55.9 | for weak people, those who needed a, it was often described as a crutch to support people who |
| 1:01.9 | were emotionally, you know, just not there for themselves and needed something else. So that was the |
| 1:09.7 | story up until I came to about 13 and it was that point I |
| 1:15.3 | had a lot of questions that I felt just weren't being answered sufficiently enough. |
| 1:21.9 | Particularly one of the things I had, you know, a sense of need for justice and goodness and |
| 1:27.4 | to be there for others, |
| 1:28.5 | but nothing on which to orientate that. And so I decided to, I was christened because that was just |
| 1:36.1 | in vogue in the 90s and in the 80s. So I was christened and I thought, well, you know, |
| 1:41.0 | there is this book that's been around for a while. A lot of people seem to be moved by it. I'll go and check it out. And with my paper around money, I went and I bought myself a copy of the King James version of the Bible. I didn't have a church. My parents being a religious, I actually hid the Bible under my bed. I was scared that they would find it and I'd get in |
| 2:01.3 | trouble. So I would just take time away and maybe spend an hour or so reading scripture, |
| 2:08.9 | meditating on that word, often failing miserably to understand what on earth was said because |
| 2:13.8 | of all the, thou and die and everything else. But then trusting in God to reveal to me what the message would be through living out my life. |
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