And that's often true in life.

We can look back in the complicated tangles of life, and yet we can detect God's leading

and guidance.

And it's a wonderful thing to lay hold of that God can do things out of an apparently hopeless situation that not only

save the people involved directly from disaster, but can have implications for the entire planet.

It's a very big story in that sense.

John Lennox is Emeritus Professor of Mathematics at Oxford University

and an internationally renowned speaker

on the intersection of science and philosophy and religion.

He's a senior fellow with the Trinity Forum,

has lectured around the world, and has

written numerous books on apologetics, science, and the Bible, including Joseph, a story of love,

hate, slavery, power, and forgiveness from Crossway. Dr. Lennox, thanks so much for joining us

today on the Crossplay podcast.

It's my pleasure to be with you.

So in this book that you've written about the story of Joseph, you call his story in the book of Genesis a masterpiece of storytelling.

So maybe to start us off, why do you call it that?

It's not only me that calls it that.

It's recognized and has been for many years

as a masterpiece of Hebrew storytelling.

Like many other narratives,

particularly coming from a Hebrew source,

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