Hello, this is the Redbox Podcast. I'm Matt Chauley, bringing the best of my times

ready to show you can have some Monday to Friday, 10 till 1 on your DAB radio on your smart

speaker or download the times radio apps you can take us with you wherever you go. Many

thanks to the stories of our times team yesterday for the bonus episode, but we're back in full

effect today, really, really fascinating conversation coming up as our big thing today. Raphael

Bear has been a political journalist, I think for even longer than me, but in the middle

of all of the Brexit shenanigans when the whole of politics seems to be blowing up, he

suffered a heart attack. He's now written a book on the Survivor's Guide to British politics,

both his own physical as well as mental health, really fascinating chat coming up with him

in just a moment. But first, as ever, on a Tuesday, it's time for this pair.

In a world of politics without the boring bits, get ready for Blackbuster debate on Times

Radio. One is the wise voice of experience. The other, the young genius, learning from

the master. Together, they are Finkelstein and Zefman, Daniel Finkelstein and Henry Zefman

on Times Radio.

Go on, Daniel, what's this? What's this, the thief on? Black faces all round?

No, the Swedish. The Swedish, correct? Any idea about that, Henry?

No, I've seen Swinney Todd. Henry will only tell us that actually

Dennis Warteman once endorsed the Liberal Democrats.

Dennis Warteman, a big fan of new tricks. Oh, sorry, that's my Dennis Warteman.

I think the Swinney is one of those things that everyone knows about, but nobody actually

watched too much, too young to watch. We were talking about this in the office earlier.

Did you actually watch the Swinney?

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