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Oh, yes. Hello folks this is Rizk the show where people tell true stories they never

thought they dare to share I'm Kevin Allison and this is one of our, well, we've taken to

calling them interview style stories behind the scenes because we just got into the habit of calling them that behind the scenes.

There are these episodes where someone tells me a story or tells it to someone else on the risk staff,

and we have a conversation about it.

This time around, it's Rich Tackenberg.

Who is on Twitter at Rich Tack, and who's told such fantastic stories in our LA live shows.

So here I am with Rich Tackenberg with a story we call sudden death which starts with me laughing and saying

sure it's a very silly story.

And what I will set up to you to Olay any fierce, it is a story about sports, but it is not a sports story.

So, you know, yes, when I've told this before into the indie storytelling scene, there's always a concern of like, oh no, this is like, no, no, no, this is not a sports story.

Okay.

Before you start, there's one of my favorite things is Martin Scorsese used to say that he knew nothing about sports and it was upsetting to him because so many men bond that way over talking about sports.

Yes.

And then DeNiro got him to do raging bull.

And from then on in his life, he would say,

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