SUBLIMATIO: Jung’s Alchemical Method of Turning Problems into Archetypes
This Jungian Life Podcast
Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano
4.7 • 2.1K Ratings
🗓️ 16 October 2025
⏱️ 71 minutes
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Do you get overwhelmed by intense feelings and old patterns, feeling stuck because you can’t make sense of what’s happening, and reacting on impulse instead of pausing to choose a steady, thoughtful response? Jung’s alchemical insights will help. Sublimatio is an old alchemy term for heating a solid so that it turns directly into a gas, rises, and then cools back into a solid higher up. As a psychological metaphor, this happens when we discover an archetypal image or idea that adds a fresh perspective on an old problem. The vapor becomes a solid again when we apply the new attitude to the lived problem. This stage is both spiritual and practical—the perfect combination that helps us outgrow our issues.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to this Jungian life. |
| 0:04.2 | Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Marchiano, Deborah Stewart, and Joseph Lee, |
| 0:09.7 | invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day. |
| 0:19.4 | I'm Lisa Marchiano, and I'm a Jungian analyst in Philadelphia. I'm Joseph Lee, |
| 0:24.9 | and I'm a Jungian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia. I'm Deborah Stewart, a Jungian analyst, |
| 0:31.1 | on Cape Cod. |
| 0:54.3 | Thank you. When Jung studied alchemy, he discovered a symbolic language that clarified his understanding of the ways his patients grew and changed. |
| 0:58.6 | Now, the alchemists were the predecessors to our modern chemists. |
| 1:04.3 | They worked very intuitively combining chemicals and processes, and they observed the results. |
| 1:11.0 | But remarkably, they created their own unique language to explain what they had observed. |
| 1:13.9 | There was no scientific language at that time. |
| 1:20.4 | So Jung surmised they were projecting their own psychosiritual fantasies onto the various observations. |
| 1:24.3 | Now, when they observed this kind of uncanny experience, which many of the listeners may remember from like high school chemistry classes, where you could take a solid substance and if you heat it, it would just vaporize and skip the liquid stage. |
| 1:43.0 | Most of us have seen dry ice, which does the same thing. It doesn't become a liquid. It just vaporize and skip the liquid stage. Most of us have seen dry ice, which does the same thing. |
| 1:46.5 | It doesn't become a liquid. |
| 1:47.6 | It just vaporizes. |
| 1:49.8 | And the alchemists called that sublimation, or in Latin the sublimatio. |
| 1:56.0 | So for them, it seemed like an object was rather magically just turning into air. |
| 2:03.6 | So we can experience this psychologically when we have a sudden shift of attitude. |
| 2:09.6 | And this might happen if we just find the right way to name a symptom, |
| 2:14.6 | like discovering that our horror when we give a presentation is actually performance |
| 2:19.7 | anxiety. And then we have this sense of relief like, this is understandable. Many people have this, |
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