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The world is divided into two realms, and the classical realm, everything is predictable, localized, particle-like and large.

But in the quantum world, we have quantum superposition, non-local, wave-like, and small,

and things are completely different.

And I think consciousness actually is on the edge between the quantum and classical worlds.

If you think that consciousness causes collapse,

that would be going from the quantum to the classical,

or if quantum is collapsing, the collapse is happening on its own,

to give you classical the same thing.

Stuart Hammeroff is a professor at the University of Arizona,

known for his studies of consciousness and for partnering with penrose

to suggest that consciousness not only originates from some quantum mechanical mechanism,

but furthermore in a specific structure called neuronal microtubules.

This is also known as orchestrated objective reduction, though it's often abbreviated to orr.

While Theories of Everything is a podcast, today I have a special treat for you as we partnered

with the Center for the Future Mind. Link in the description, I have a special treat for you as we partnered with the Center for

the Future Mind. Link in the description, definitely check them out to bring you this lecture from

Mind Fest, which is a special conference put on by Susan Schneider from the Center for

the Future Mind, which is the only conference that annually merges AI and consciousness. People like

Stephen Wolfram come to it, David Chalmers, Sarah Walker,

Scott Aronson, the head of Google's quantum computing AI lab, Ben Gortzel, and last and

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