Something else.

Please note, this episode contains some emotional content, adult issues and strong language,

which may not be suitable for all listeners.

In general, the amount of effort you put in does equal results,

but there is no amount of trying, trying that I can put into this.

Welcome to How Did We Get Here. I'm Claudia Winckman, here with my friend,

clinical psychologist, Professor Tarnia Byron.

This is the place where we address some of the challenges people face in their daily lives,

either personally or with their families.

Tarnia talks to people in one-to-one sessions while I'm listening in from another room.

In the break and at the end, I asked Tarnia a bit about her process

and we explored the issues that are raised.

Sophie and her husband have been trying to conceive for two years,

and then in May of last year she was diagnosed with premature ovarian failure.

They have since had two rounds of IVF and are now looking to move forward using donor eggs.

Sophie said the diagnosis rocked her world and is finding it hard to come to terms

with what that means and what the future holds.

Within days of that, three pregnancy announcements, two of my cousins and my sister.

Oh, crikey.

What you're about to hear at the key parts of a one-time unscripted session with a real person,

we follow up with our guests after the recording, passing on links and contacts,

some of which you will find in the programme notes of this episode.

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