My name is Stan. I'm at. Nice to meet you. So you took up photography where? I've always loved

photography but I turn it into earning a living at 60. I enrolled on a day course.

Well college. I loved going to college. It's good you can retry. I'm enrolled on the day course. But college?

I loved going to college.

It's good you can retrain and do something.

Yeah, yeah.

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When populist strong men have little else to offer, they offer pride.

Those are the words of Delhi-based political columnist Assima Lee in a piece that looked at the parallels between Erdogan and Modi.

We may dislike them, but we cannot ignore them.

According to the Tony Blair Institute, populist leaders have increased fivefold

between 1990 and 2018. My guest today is a historian and professor at New York University who has quite literally devoted her entire career as a scholar to the study of authoritarianism.

I consumed her latest book Strongman, How They Rise, Why They Succeed How They Fall,

Like a man in a desert with a tall glass of water, and I just knew I had to speak to her.

Welcome to the bunker, Ruth Ben Geat.

Thank you.

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