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Hey, Dream listeners. If you like this podcast, you're going to love the book. Yeah, I wrote a book. It's called Selling the Dream. And it's coming out March 12th, 2024 on Atria. It's about all of your favorite characters from

MLMs and some that you've never even heard of, I hope. Check it out. Have you ever heard the legend

of John Henry?

Before I did the interview you're about to hear, the best recollection I had of the story came from a Disney short I saw like 20 years ago.

In that cartoon version for kids, it's a story about the ultimate can-do man, a man with supernatural grit and determination. His story was first shared as a folk

tale among African Americans in the late 1800s, and then it became a song performed by black

folks, and then white folk singers, about the magnificence of the steel-driving man, that's the

human precursor to a jackhammer or pneumatic drill. For over a century,

it's been upheld as a story emblematic of the American dream. Work hard enough and you shall

overcome. Have the right mindset and the rest will fall into place. Except that's not what

happens in the end of the legend of John Henry, not even close.

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