Streets for Play, Streets for Freedom
The War on Cars
The War on Cars, LLC
4.9 • 937 Ratings
🗓️ 28 April 2026
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
Streets can be more than places to move and store cars—they can be places for children to grow and thrive. Alice Ferguson and Tim Gill are the UK-based authors of a new paper called "Streets for Play, Streets for Freedom: How a 'child lens' would transform transport policy." Each of them has decades of experience in envisioning a world where children can use streets safely and happily. Together they are calling for a "radical, child-centric approach to transport policy and planning."
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| 1:17.4 | all from selling your old bike to finding a brand new ride at Upway.co. I think the first strategy is to pay more attention to what children and young people tell us. |
| 1:36.3 | And actually, on that very particular point, there's been some really robust surveys of children and young people's views about their lives |
| 1:46.7 | and about the place of technology in their lives, where they are telling us that they don't want |
| 1:52.5 | to be spending ever more time solely in the digital run. They want to be able to see their friends and hang out and play IRL. So that's, |
| 2:05.1 | you know, one of the first steps on the road to enlightenment here is to just listen more to |
| 2:09.4 | children to what they're telling us and also what they're showing us through their actions, |
| 2:14.2 | both in terms of their lived experience, but also about the kind of neighborhoods, |
| 2:19.6 | the kind of places that they want to be living in. |
| 2:31.3 | This is the War on Cars. I'm Sarah Goodyear. Today we're going to be talking with some guests who want us to look at our streets in a radically different way, as a place for children to grow and thrive. |
| 2:46.7 | Alice Ferguson is a co-founder of the Playing Out movement, which for nearly two decades has been |
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