What do you think about the effects of birth order on someone's personality, first child,

youngest child, middle, etc. Do you think some parts of your personality or your siblings

is from being the oldest or youngest? And I can't answer this because I am. There were five kids in my

family growing up and I was in the middle directly in the middle. There's two older and two younger

and it's very obvious that I'm a fucking mess and that I crave attention. So yes, I don't know

necessarily if that's my birth order or just my parents being like people who um

my parents being like, inattentive, you know. Yeah. Um, it could have just been that. I

maybe birth order doesn't have anything to do with it. My parents were just awful, you know.

I think it's only relevant within family dynamics really. I mean, I think that stuff might

carry into how Christmas goes down and when you're all together, like there's a pecking order,

I think that holds up for sure. But in my life, like I'm not like, I'm not a first born son at all.

Yeah. And you also, I don't know what that means even. Yeah. You're also not like trying to

vie for your parents love in that way. That's that's sort of where I'm at too. It's like, I'm not

even like, I don't care. Right. Like there's there's no part of me that like really cares if I

yeah, that sounds like mad. It sounds like weird shit. It's not relevant and like magic. I like

the idea that it's like magic. It's not relevant. Chris says, oh, okay, here we go. Do you feel like

doing this podcast together made you too close or friends or do you think it would be this close

even if you did not the podcast? I've no idea. One, yeah. I am not, I'm literally since the pandemic,

I don't hang out with anybody ever at all except for Brett. Like, he's the only person I see

outside of my wife and kid ever. And we don't even hang out that much because I don't do anything.

Uh, I'm trying to figure that out. My brain doesn't work. But I would say that like we're probably

closer because of the podcast just because, you know, we do the podcast together. I'm, yeah,

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