I just hit the record button.

Sorry.

Okay.

You were just saying we were talking about we haven't done this since we recorded the Clash episode. Yeah, yeah. We have no, I was just, you know, you were saying your buddy, your, your kid shows on the road and people have come up to you now. But my buddy was on your side. He's from L.A. He was on your side. He's been on your side. He calls he he he caught it

actually angers me. It does anger me and I've tried to make some of mixtape but he called the

clash dad rock and it it it pisses me off to no one because he's a buffoon and Mauricio if you're

listening to this you're a buffoon, big dog.

I had a lot of friends that were also very much on your side.

And I think there's like a huge swath of Turned Out of Punk fans that just have never turned back, tuned back in.

Yeah.

After they heard my opinion about the clash. But you know, I got to say, you've also said some shit that has blown my mind in a good way

where you made me shit, like, look at things differently.

Like one time, I don't know if it was we were doing an episode, but you said Operation Ivy is more influential than Nirvana.

And it, like, when I thought about it, I go, yeah, I could see that.

I could see what you're saying.

Probably more bands started, like, on a DIY, like, punk level from, from listening to

Up Ivy than from listening to Narvon.

Yeah, I think the main.

More industry bands happened.

Like, the industry tried to make bands,

like, you know, like, you get silver chair out of that kind of shit, you know, or like...

Yeah, like, I think mainstream rock needed Nirvana.

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