I'm Mora Aronsmeli, and this is the Anxious Achiever.

Each episode, we look at stories from business leaders who have dealt with anxiety, depression,

or other mental health challenges, how they fell down, how they pick themselves up, and how

they hope workplaces can change in the future.

Today we're going to talk about you and your anxiety for the long haul with Dr. Alice Boys.

Now, I have to say right at the top here,

stay tuned to the end of this episode.

It's gold.

I find it just very helpful advice.

And this is Alice Boy's real point of view, which is that, you know, it's not the anxiety and you may not be able to get rid of your anxiety. What you work on is making good decisions

and managing the traps that your anxiety might lead you into. Right? And I think that this is so helpful

because for some of us, you know, anxiety is our reality. Some of us feel like maybe anxiety is our

old friend. I always say it's one of my most intimate and longstanding relationships,

dysfunctional and not 100% well-meaning one, but nonetheless. So understanding your anxiety and its bad habits and your

patterns around it is really, really important. You know, way back in our first episode, Scott Stossel reminded me of a

famous quote by Franklin Delano Roosevelt, courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the

assessment that something else is more important than fear. Now, if you're anxious by nature, fear may be part

of your daily life in ways others just can't relate to. But today with Dr. Alice Boys, we're going to

focus on understanding the fears and understanding the ways that we react to them

and how we can make those reactions more adaptive and less destructive, even while we're making

peace with our anxious nature. So let's explore the many sides of life with anxiety with Dr. Alice Boys.

She's the author of the Healthy Mind Toolkit and the Anxiety Toolkit.

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