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The Times Tech Podcast

Stratechery's Ben Thompson: "Apple's App Store is textbook anti-competitive"

The Times Tech Podcast

Will Morley

Business, Unknown, Technology

4.9654 Ratings

🗓️ 8 November 2019

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent Danny Fortson brings on Ben Thompson, the tech commentator behind Stratechery, to talk about the antitrust issues stalking Big Tech (2:50), why Google is most vulnerable (4:40), convenience versus abuse (9:35), why Facebook’s antitrust case is much less clear (10:40), why Instagram was so clearly a step too far (15:20), the consumer harm problem (17:50), Amazon as a niche player (19:00), why the App Store is a clear cut case of monopoly (21:20), Apple’s self-appointed role as the guardian of privacy (24:35), why Silicon Valley is branching into new industries (27:10), is regulation too late or even important (29:00), why Big Tech is big (32:20), and the future of the gig economy (34:25).

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0:00.0

Yo, technology.

0:02.9

What is it all about?

0:04.5

The more we get focused on privacy, privacy, privacy, the more tradeoffs we will make as a society that I'm not sure we actually want to make.

0:14.0

And we're not properly grappling with those issues.

0:40.2

Hello and welcome to Danny in the Valley. Yes, we have another episode this week, just like last week. There were a couple interviews that I've done recently that I thought would just sit well together. So think of this as a kind of like a wine pairing. We have Brad Smith to start us off. Let's wash it all down with Ben Thompson. Ben is the founder of

0:47.5

Straterey, which is one of the most well-respected tech commentary sites out there. He's followed by

0:53.9

all the bigwigs in the industry.

0:56.2

He's very smart. And recently, he and I spoke. Ben is based in Taipei. From his outpost in Asia,

1:04.8

he dispenses pearls on the present and future of the tech industry, on which of the big four

1:10.7

companies are the most

1:12.1

vulnerable to antitrust investigators, and he even talks about why we should perhaps think

1:16.9

about Airbnb a little differently. So stick around until the end for that one. And one more

1:22.8

side note, as a journalist, I give Matt props to Mr. Thompson because he has set up a site that has, what I would guess,

1:30.2

is some pretty healthy subscription revenue.

1:33.5

So he is basically a journalist making money on his own platform.

1:39.1

So well done him.

1:41.2

And just one small production note before you get started, you'll hear Thompson

1:46.3

talking about Apple in relation to Spotify in this episode. This was before Apple integrated

1:53.5

Spotify into its Siri voice system. So it has made a small move toward rectifying what he says is a very big issue.

2:04.0

But our conversation happened before that did.

2:07.1

So just to keep that in mind.

2:09.7

Without further ado, I'll give you now Ben Thompson of Strateree.

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