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Reflector

Strange Bedfellows Part II: The Q

Reflector

Longview

Documentary, Society & Culture

4.6577 Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2026

⏱️ 51 minutes

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You can hear Part 3 of this series right now when you become a Longview subscriber by visiting us ⁠here Part two of Reflector’s dive into the LGBTQ+ movement picks up with the arrival of the Qs…and all that came after. Featuring interviews with prominent trans advocates and former leaders of major LGBTQ groups, episode 2 reveals the philosophical differences lurking beneath the surface within this alliance of non-conformists. With his usual immunity from embarrassment, Ben Kawaller explores how a movement for civil rights became a project to shape society’s understanding of sex and gender. THIS EPISODE FEATURES:Dana Beyer – Early transgender rights advocate.Dr. Susan Stryker – Professor Emerita of Gender and Women’s Studies at Arizona State University.Lorri Jean – Former CEO of the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center.Herndon Graddick – Former president of GLAAD.Ben Appel – Journalist and author of Cis White Gay: The Making of a Gender Heretic.Jennifer Finney Boylan – Transgender author, former president of PEN America and former contributing opinion writer for the New York Times.Leor Sapir – Journalist and senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute.Matthew McMurrow – Gay activist and adviser to former Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York and former New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio. LINKS:When Harry Became Sally: Responding to the Transgender Moment by Ryan T. Anderson Cis White Gay: The Making of a Gender Heretic by Ben Appel The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender-Bending and Transsexualism by J. Michael Bailey Cleavage: Men, Woman, and the Space Between Us by Jennifer Finney Boylan Galileo's Middle Finger: Heretics, Activists, and the Search for Justice in Science by Alice Dreger Crossing: A Memoir by Deirdre Nansen McCloskey The End of the Gay Rights Revolution: How Hubris and Overreach Threaten Gay Freedom by Ronan McCrea Gay Shame: The Rise of Gender Ideology and the New Homophobia by Gareth Roberts TRANS/GRESSIVE: How Transgender Activists Took on Gay Rights, Feminism, the Media & Congress… and Won! by Riki WilchinsGLAAD Media Reference Guide: Glossary of Terms CREDITS:This episode of Reflector was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Matthew Boll, Ben Kawaller, Simon Adler, Ethan Mannello, and Seth Temple Andrews. Music for this episode was composed by ⁠⁠⁠⁠Cobey Bienert⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠Peter Lalish⁠⁠⁠ Reflector artwork by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob Boll⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I've always wanted to be mom.

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And we're bringing you on our journey through everything.

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I have no idea what we're doing.

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Thank you. I have more of an idea.

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I think of it like a Tamagotchi.

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At the end of all of this...

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We're going to have a little baby.

0:21.6

Raising Chelsea, a Hulu original series streaming April 2nd exclusively on Disney Plus.

0:27.2

18 plus subscription required T's and T supply.

0:30.8

Hey, this is Andy Mills and you are listening to Reflector.

0:34.6

We're back today with our second episode in how the LGBTQ plus coalition came

0:40.2

together and why it might be falling apart. In the first episode, we unpacked how gay rights

0:45.6

became LGBT rights. And for today, we are back with Ben Kowler, who's going to tell us how

0:51.8

things got even more complicated, both for the coalition and society,

0:57.1

with the addition of the cues.

1:00.1

All right, so should I just start talking?

1:02.2

Yeah, just fire away.

1:03.6

Okay, so let's start this chapter around 2016.

1:08.9

Okay, so this is a time when the LGBT movement really had the wind at its back.

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