Thank you for listening to the Allender Center podcast.

I'm Dr. Dan Allender.

And I'm Rachel Clinton-Centen.

We're fiercely committed to providing hope and healing to a fragmented world.

And restoration for the heart.

Thank you for joining us.

Let's get this conversation started.

Thank you for joining us. Let's get this conversation started. I have the privilege today to interact with one of our, oh, deeply, lovely, gifted, and, shall we say, just compelling presences at the Allender Center.

But I also have to say that Rachel is on a lovely trip with her husband, and she was going to join us by the Internet in this little cabin.

And the cabin has foiled us.

And so today I am with Kaylee, Van deGrept Porter, and you're with me alone,

which I know bears a little bit of, you know, like, what's he going to do? And Rachel, more often

than not, is kind of the priestly presence of humanity that sometimes

creates a degree of just goodness. So, Kaylee, I can only say I am so glad to have you on this

podcast. And I'm so sorry, Rachel's not here to join us.

I know. I'm so glad and so honored to be here and be a part of this conversation. And I

will dearly miss Rachel. And I'm also excited. I'm excited in a year with you and do

try to start time together. I'm grateful in a year with you and do try to start time together.

I'm grateful. I'm grateful. Well, I want people to have a sense of who you are. But before we even do that, you know, obviously you are very central to the work of the Allender Center. But before we step into a little bit of that,

I just want people to know, it's really, we're really not talking about the Allender's Center

today. At least, we are, but more tangentially in that I just want, I want people to have a sense of what in the world, maybe what in heaven

would have brought you into the work of this somewhat mad organization.

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