coming up on this episode of the roundtable.

It is the smoothest brain possible take to say,

well, we were right all along the Trump was a fascist

because this is happening, you know, I mean, like that

doesn't even begin to crack the surface of all this of.

And guess who's been saying all along that Trump is a sort of epiphenomenon,

that Trump is something that comes out of these deeper structural regime level problems like us you know like this

the notion that this is the man whose personal virtue or actions or statements

cause and determine the progress of this development is simply to not even have like checked into the building. Oh, Welcome everyone once again to the Roundtable, the Publishers and Editors

Podcast for the American Mind here at the Claremont Institute. I'm Ryan

Williams, your host, president of the Claremont Institute, publisher of the Claremont Review Books,

and the American Mind, joined as always by Matthew Peterson, Vice President of Education,

founding editor of the American Mind, Spencer Clavin, associate Editor of the American Mind,

and the Claremont Review of Books,

David Barr, Senior Director of Communications,

James Pullis, Executive Editor of the American Mind,

and a guest, but a man well known to all of us our colleague Nick Short

our digital media manager we thought we'd have Nick on today because he's been

following this

DC on the social media's quite closely so can clear up

Any confusion and offer his own insights?

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