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In 1996, a 747 leaving JFK and carrying 230 people crashed a few minutes after takeoff into

the Atlantic Ocean, leaving no survivors. Then, in 2002, Lacey Peterson, who was over 7 months pregnant,

went missing. Her body was later found in the San Francisco Bay Shore, along with her infant

sons. 10 years later, an 18-year-old Alaskan girl named Samantha Coneck was dismembered,

and her body parts were horrifically hidden underneath a frozen lake. The common denominator between

all of these cases is that they all required the expertise of the FBI dive team to recover

the bodies in any additional evidence. It's a fascinating career that not many people know much about,

which is why I asked today's guests to establish the FBI's Underwater Forensic Program to educate

and enlighten us on one of the most unique careers in the world. He also worked on all of those

cases I just mentioned and many others. He spent 27 years in the FBI as a special agent on a variety

of assignments from mafia cases to terrorism and forensic expertise. He retired in 2014, but

his career didn't stop being cool at all because he's now a technical advisor for criminal

minds, along with, yes, our other FBI friend Jim Clementi, who we've had on the show twice.

He is a passionate storyteller with a lifetime of adventures to share with us today.

Please welcome veteran FBI special agent and attorney Bobby Shacon to the spillover.

What in the world does it mean, Bobby, to work in aquatics with the FBI and how did you come to

basically establish the FBI's dive team? Well, what it means, first of all, is if you,

if you're familiar with what CSI teams do, like, you know, we've seen on television countless times,

we do the same thing, we're trained to do the same thing underwater, which is, you know,

there's obviously some challenges in that and you have to do things a little differently.

But how it came about was in the early 1980s in the New York office of the FBI, there was a need

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