Okay, so next thing to talk about.

When I was coming up, I wanted to be a bodybuilder. I wanted to be Mr. Olympia. I said, you know, one day I'm going to be Mr. Olympia. And the average high for Mr. Olympia is 5-8, 59, 510. I'm 6.3 and a half, 6.4. So for me, you know, I didn't want to be 400 pounds off-season. And there was this book that everybody had to read to learn about steroids.

It's called The Steroids. I didn't want to be 400 pounds off-season. And there was this book that everybody had to read to learn about steroids.

It's called the steroids Bible.

And it was multiple, you know, first one, second one, third one, all of them you would go through.

And everything about testosterone was bad that you would read about.

And then today, for the first time ever, back in the days, nobody would talk about that

that guy's on steroids.

No, he's natural.

And I think a couple of the first people that came out and talked about it, Arnold may have

spoken about it, and a guy named Bill Phillips made it very open with this magazine called

Muscle Media 2000,

which was hands-down the best magazine in bodybuilding.

And he wrote a book called Body of Life.

He had a company called EAS.

But today, guys will openly say, yeah, I'm on TRT.

Yeah, I'm on HRT.

What has happened where, what can you tell us from the

perspective of steroids today? What does the average person not know about? Have we found,

I read a book about 12 years ago called Ageless Man, where they were testing TRT and steroids with, you know, different

things to say, you know, if the TRT, if the testosterone level is higher, your heart is actually

doing better. What have we learned about steroids? It's a fascinating subject. And I think you and I

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