Coming up, we have an interview with the brilliant Rudgar Breggmann on the idea of moral ambition.

What he's talking about is why so many of us end up doing jobs that are wasteful of our talents,

and we could be doing something much more important.

And the reason this is essential is because it harks back to the history of great movements like civil rights, like abolitionism,

like, for example, Daniel O'Connell and a Catholic emancipation, all these great movements

change the world for the better. But they changed the world because people got up and got

motivated. So that's all ahead of us with Rutker, Bregman, in a couple of minutes.

To understand the economy, you have to understand human nature.

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Because one of the best-selling authors, philosophers, moral philosophers, of the last decade, is Rutger Breggman, a Dutch originally economist who has turned his attention to all sorts of,

not so much criticisms, but investigations, inquiries into the nature of humanity.

His first book was called Idealism for Realists, a wonderful call to arms about how you can change

the world and be idealistic, but be realistic. His second book, Humankind, was the very first

book on the Dave McWilliams podcast book club. It is, again, a call to arms about essentially the idea

that humans are kind, that we are cooperative, we are collaborative. In fact, the history of

humanity is not the history of violence and coercion. It is also a history of collaboration,

of cooperation, and of fundamental decency.

And his latest book, which is called Moral Ambition, essentially says,

stop wasting your time and start making a difference.

And again, it is another call to action about why so many of us waste our talents in jobs that are meaningless

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