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Hi, I'm Otto.

Welcome to Ellen Sarah's podcast.

Okay, today's guest I'm obsessed with.

Dr. Shafali is the sort of pioneer in conscious parenting. That is not

gentle parenting. It is its own special thing. She uses cuss words. She speaks and gives it to you

in a real way. I love her so much. She talks about how pretty much the most important thing you can do

as a parent is be authentic and be present and be yourself.

And don't be fake and don't be performative.

And she really opened our eyes to a lot of things.

And I think I'm going to personally pay her to be Sarah's therapist because she's amazing.

She is a three-time New York Times bestselling author.

Oprah called her the best child expert she's ever interviewed.

This is a fantastic, fantastic interview. You're welcome.

Hi, Dr. Sheffali. Hi. What city are you in? In New York right now. You're working late. This is late for you. This is late. Yeah, but I see clients all over the world. So sometimes I get up early, sometimes I'm up late. So this is fine. I know that you guys have kids and you had possibly issues with childcare. So if you need to run or anything, just, yeah. Yeah. My nanny's in Poland

right now with her son. And I have a one-year-old and, you know, 6 to 7 p.m. This is going to be

interesting. But we're going to get through it because we're here with a parenting expert.

We're not only here with a parenting expert. We are here with the person that Oprah called the best parenting expert she's ever come across. Or what were her exact words, Aaron? Ever interviewed, I believe? Ever. Oh, there you go. So we're excited. I mean, listen, Sarah and I are both parents and we're really, you know, this is, it's got very interesting

for you because you've been doing this for a long time. You've written three New York Times

bestselling books. You, you know, pioneered this conscious parenting thing. And then now,

you know, I open my phone and I, I mean, there's a parenting expert on every single window that I look at. And I don't even know if they're an expert, you know, but I'm taking their advice. I'm watching things going, oh, well, that seems easy. That seems easy. And I'm trying to like write it all down or memorize it and it's very overwhelming. I'm a new mom. So, you know, I am constantly absorbing everything thinking that I can pull it off. And sometimes, which I'm sure you've seen happen, first time parents kind of in that new blissful period, I have a lot of lofty ideas of what I'm going to be able to do as a parent. I had like a nurse coming over and giving me an IV a few days ago. And my

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