Yeah.

Hey, Peter.

Hey, surely you've heard of the concept of swinging.

I know you have.

Yes.

Have you heard of that?

Very familiar with it.

Very.

Almost too cocky about it, actually.

Have you ever heard of the concept of hinging?

Not familiar at all with that.

Well, not surprised because we just made it up.

Okay. that. Well, not surprised because we just made it up. I'm Adam Manus.

And you're listening to the You'll Hear Podcast.

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Good to see you here.

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We've got a big podcast little uh little youtube channel so we're trying to that's right and we're going to tell you a little bit later about the gentleman's agreement but i won't barrage our listeners we may even read a review later on right yeah but first i want to know about this because i i i know what a hinge is and like this is hinge, right? But I don't understand the concept. It's not that I don't understand it. I don't know what the hell it is. Well, so the title of this episode is, the title of this episode is Stop Using Scales. No, I will not stop using them. I love scales. No, but what I really mean is something that we've been talking a lot about at Open Studio Pro, and I'm actually working on a new course called Hearing Great Harmony, Peter. What do you know about that? We're going about that a little bit later. Pro, look at that. Yeah. Pro. And so we've been going over this concept, and it really, it stems out of a lot of Barry Harris material, but also there's this, string arranger named Russell Garcia, who did a lot of amazing string arrangements for people like Margaret Whiting, Frank Sinatra, and others. But he wrote a book called The Contemporary, I believe it's called the Contemporary Composer and Arranger. It's really just like a dance band arranging book, which is kind of amazing. Yeah. But he has this concept. He doesn't call it hinging, but it's chord-based.

And I know a lot of people from, like, music educators from his generation talked about this.

Like we got, and this is actually, could be a broader conversation, and maybe not for this episode.

But I would love to talk to you about, because there is this delineation between, between like the bebop musicians and how they think

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