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He also hosts a really cool podcast where they go deep on the science of things.

He's a person after my own heart.

Questions everything does not just bow to the dogma,

but looks for the evidence that shows,

hey, is what we're doing actually helping people?

He had a book a few years back about medical reversals,

how things we thought worked turns out when you study them don't.

It's so important when we're talking about building a more connected health 3.0 system.

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