Simon, I cannot even express to you how much richer it is when you realize in this moment,

all these bad things that must occur sooner or later are not occurring.

How rich that is.

It's a simplicity.

If we can get this and enjoy it, we don't need so much entertainment and stimulation and drama. It just goes

away. A lot of people are always seeking happiness, and I think it's a wrong focus. Peace is much

better than happiness. Culture at large can't use liberated people.

They're not always striving.

You can't tempt them with riches and fame and all that.

They don't care.

They don't need it.

Life is a miracle.

It is miraculous that there is something rather than nothing. But life is also full of pain and suffering. And if we can make peace with how life really is rather than how we

fantasize how it should be, then we can perhaps start to relax and let go of the incessant chase

and quest to become in the future.

We can find peace even in the midst of the challenges and suffering that are inevitable parts of

life. My guest today is Dr Robert Sortsman, author of The Excellent Books, The 10,000 Things

and Depending on No Thing.

Robert Sortsman, how lovely to see you. How are you?

I'm doing very well. Thank you, Simon. It's a pleasure to see you after our brief conversations on chat.

Absolutely, yes. So we've had a few conversations on Substack and I enjoy reading your articles

and I'm sure we'll dive into a couple of things we've touched on. But in my introduction,

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