Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast from BBC History Magazine, Britain's best-selling history magazine.

I'm Ellie Gawthorthorne.

The history of fabric is stitched into our story as a species.

Victoria Finley has travelled the world to learn more about the history of material,

staying with Pacific Island tribes who make a cloth that helps save their forests and visiting tweedmakers in Scotland.

Riannon Davis spoke with her to find out more.

Why did you decide to write this book?

There's a story that I tell in the beginning of the book, which I'll just tell very briefly now.

It was, I was in Russia, in Moscow. It was one year after the, after communism fell, and there was an extraordinary

demonstration in the square of people who'd been working, they'd been in the military, but they'd

been working, believing that they would have pensions and everything.

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