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Woman's Hour

Sticky floor jobs, Kiena Dawes, The Mare, Badass Gran

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.22.9K Ratings

🗓️ 14 January 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

The term ‘sticky floor’ refers to the difficulties women face in progressing to higher-paid and higher-powered job roles whilst balancing the demands of their careers with personal, unpaid responsibilities. They can get stuck at lower levels, leaving the most senior positions to be occupied by, predominantly, men. Nuala McGovern discusses some of the reasons and solutions with Claire Reindorp, CEO of Young Women’s Trust, and Lucy Kellaway, former journalist, now economics teacher and co-founder of Now Teach.

A Lancashire jury has found Ryan Wellings not guilty of the manslaughter of 23-year-old Kiena Dawes. Wellings, who was Kiena's boyfriend, was found guilty of controlling and coercive behaviour and assault between January 2020 and July 2022. He had denied all the charges against him, and will be sentenced at a later date. During the trial, the jury heard that Kiena had left a note claiming she was murdered and that Wellings had killed her before she took her own life. Joining Nuala to discuss this case are BBC reporter Yunus Mulla, Crown Prosecution Service domestic abuse lead Kate Brown and Director of the Centre for Women's Justice Harriet Wistrich.

Hermine Braunsteiner was the first person to be extradited from the US for Nazi war crimes. She was one of a few thousand women who had worked as a concentration camp guard and was nicknamed ‘the Mare’ by prisoners because of her cruelty; she kicked people to death. In 1964, Hermine’s past was unknown: She was living a quiet existence as an adoring suburban housewife in Queens, New York when she was tracked down by a reporter from The New York Times who exposed her past. Angharad Hampshire, a Research Fellow at York St John University, joins Nuala to talk about The Mare, her novel based on Hermine’s life.

Known as Badass Gran to her Instagram followers, Celia Duff is a double world Hyrox champion after taking up the races at 68. After retiring from her career as a doctor in public health medicine, the 70 year old dedicates her time to an impressive fitness regime that includes yoga, pilates, running, strength and conditioning, Olympic weightlifting six times a week, and now she’s fitter and stronger than ever.

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Hello, this is Newell O'Garverin, and you're listening to The Woman's Hour podcast.

0:42.9

Hello, and welcome to the program.

0:45.5

You may have heard how hard it is for women to break through the glass ceiling,

0:50.1

but what about the sticky floor?

0:52.3

That is where workers, mainly women, stay or are stuck in those lower ranking and lower paid jobs with barriers to career advancement.

1:01.0

Some are concerned that taking a career risk for a higher paying job might destabilise their carefully constructed family and work arrangements.

1:10.0

I'm wondering whether this resonates with you.

1:12.3

Are you holding back until some of your caring responsibilities are reduced before going

1:18.4

for that bigger job, career advancement? We're going to talk about it this hour. If you would

1:24.6

like to share your story, you can text the program. The number is 84844. Maybe it's something you have been through on social media or at BBC Woman's Hour

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or you can email us through our website. For a WhatsApp message or a voice note, the number is 0-3-700-100-44.

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