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The Good Fight

Steven Pinker on How Common Knowledge Builds and Weakens Societies

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 18 September 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Steven Pinker is Johnstone Professor of Psychology at Harvard, an elected member of the National Academy of Sciences, a two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist, a Humanist of the Year, one of Time’s “100 Most Influential People in the World Today,” and sits on Persuasion’s advisory board. His latest book is When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows...: Common Knowledge and the Mysteries of Money, Power, and Everyday Life. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Steven Pinker discuss why common knowledge is the most important psychological concept you’ve never heard of, why authoritarian states are hostile to it, and where to find someone you’ve lost in New York. Email: [email protected] Podcast production by Mickey Freeland and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google X: @Yascha_Mounk & @JoinPersuasion YouTube: Yascha Mounk, Persuasion LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:38.0

bitch and moan all they want. He's got the guns. He's got the power. And the reason that they don't

0:42.3

is that there is safety in numbers, but only if there is coordination. If everyone resists at the same

0:50.0

time, so they overpower the regime, which they can only do with commonal.

0:55.6

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

1:04.1

My guest today is Stephen Pinker.

1:07.2

Stephen is the Johnston family professor at Harvard University and the author of many

1:15.9

wonderful books on language, on the human mind, on why the world has actually gotten better.

1:24.5

And most recently, of when everyone knows, that everyone knows. The book is all about

1:32.6

what Steve calls common knowledge. Common knowledge, the way he talks about it is not the fact

1:39.5

that, you know, everybody knows that Shakespeare wrote Hamlet, something like that.

1:44.6

It's a social fact in which we don't just separately know something.

1:49.3

We know that others also know that, and we know that, they know that we know that.

1:53.3

And this, Steve says, explains a huge part of the social world, from how we deal with international relations, to how dictators behave,

2:03.6

to how we try to oppose dictators, to how we live our private lives, how we deal, for example,

2:11.6

in early parts of a relationship with expressing affection for each other.

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