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STEVEN PINKER: How Common Knowledge and Rationality Make the World Go Round

The Next Big Idea

Next Big Idea Club

Education, Social Sciences, Science, Society & Culture

4.41.3K Ratings

🗓️ 25 September 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker shares five key insights from his brand new book, When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows. He reveals how “common knowledge” — the hidden force of knowing what others know — shapes everything from financial bubbles and political revolutions to why we say “Netflix and chill.” Then we revisit our 2021 conversation with Steve about rationality, where he explains why smart people believe dumb things, why we're terrible at assessing risk, and how our species can be both brilliantly rational and spectacularly irrational at the same time. ——— Want to connect? 🔗 Follow Rufus on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ 📖 Subscribe to our daily newsletter, ⁠Book of the Day⁠ ✉️ Send us an email: ⁠podcast@nextbigideaclub.com⁠

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0:00.0

I'm Rufus Griscombe, and this is the next big idea.

0:04.8

Today, lessons in common knowledge and rationality. The legendary Harvard psychologist Stephen Pinker published a new book this week.

0:35.9

It's called When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows.

0:40.1

And it's about, well, I'll let Steve tell you.

0:43.1

My latest book is about how people think about what other people think they think.

0:47.4

I know.

0:48.2

It sounds like a riddle.

0:49.7

Really what the book is about is this process by which we go from private knowledge.

0:54.5

I know something and you know it.

0:56.5

To common knowledge.

0:58.5

I know that fact and you know it, but in addition, I know that you know it and you

1:02.7

know that I know it.

1:03.7

On top of that, I know that you know that I know that I know it.

1:06.7

And you know that I know that you know it.

1:08.6

And so on adding the item.

1:16.8

Steve says this shift is the hidden force behind everything from financial bubbles to political protests to why we say Netflix and chill instead of just asking for sex.

1:23.4

Common knowledge doesn't just help us coordinate.

1:26.6

It shapes our economy, our politics, and our most intimate relationships.

1:32.9

In his previous books, The Better Angels of Our Nature and Enlightenment Now,

1:37.0

Steve applied a contrarian lens to human history, revealing that life on the whole is getting better.

1:43.8

Now he's applying that same contrarian lens to our social interactions, revealing the

1:48.9

invisible operating system that makes human coordination possible.

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