Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt on the Tyranny of the Minority

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

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4.6 • 907 Ratings

🗓️ 9 September 2023

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Steven Levitsky is the David Rockefeller professor of Latin American Studies and Professor of Government at Harvard University, and Daniel Ziblatt is the Eaton Professor of the Science of Government at Harvard University. They are the authors, jointly, of How Democracies Die. Their latest book is Tyranny of the Minority: Why American Democracy Reached the Breaking Point. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk, Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt discuss the extent to which American institutions distort our politics by excessively thwarting majority governance; whether or not the American electorate is polarizing, or depolarizing, by race; and whether American democracy is better served by pursuing institutional reform or by tailoring Democratic Party strategy to the system as it exists. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:26.5	So for fact sake, search the economist. The Republican Party ought to win power in a democracy by winning majorities if the national
0:39.2	level is not able to do that.
0:41.4	If it had a more diverse face, and sure we can point to some positive
0:44.9	trends, but these are trends at the margins.
0:47.3	If it could reach out to a broader base, if it had the incentive to reach out to a broader
0:50.9	base, then it wouldn't have to try to overthrow
0:53.1	my kids and we'd be in a much better position. And now the good fight with
0:57.8	Yasha Monk.
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